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Round 1 will be held starting on November 24, 2017 at 21:00 UTC and will finish on November 26, 2017 at 21:00 UTC. Only 1080 best strategies will be participating in it. The format of the games is 2x500. This stage will consist of 2 parts, and there will be a break between them (Sandbox will be available during it), that will allow participants to improve their strategies. Each part will last 12 hours, and a break — 24 hours.

In each part of Round 1 only last correct strategy, submitted before the corresponding part, will be used for the games. Games will appear in waves. In each wave each strategy will take part in exactly one game. Number of waves will be not less than 10.

Each game participants will be chosen randomly and equiprobably (in contrast to the Sandbox, where it is much more likely to meet an equal oppopent). The final results table of Round 1 will be formed by using sums of scores, gained throughout all the games, and 300 best strategies (in case of equal score, participant that submitted his strategy earlier is in priority) will pass to Round 2. The initial rating value of each participant is equal to 0, and each game he will be given a specified number of points:

  • 1 place — 2 points,
  • 2 place — 0 points.


malinovsky239

malinovsky239

Saint Petersburg

If the game ends 0-0 (or any other draw), number of points scored by each of the participants?

Nov 18, 2017 4:21:44 PM
tyamgin

tyamgin

Simferopol

malinovsky239

malinovsky239

Saint Petersburg

If the game ends 0-0 (or any other draw), number of points scored by each of the participants?

One

Nov 18, 2017 5:21:51 PM
dimir

dimir

СПбГЭТУ (ЛЭТИ)

malinovsky239

malinovsky239

Saint Petersburg

If the game ends 0-0 (or any other draw), number of points scored by each of the participants?

Both will take the first place, and then will update rating.

Nov 18, 2017 6:30:41 PM
dimir

dimir

СПбГЭТУ (ЛЭТИ)

dimir

dimir

СПбГЭТУ (ЛЭТИ)

Both will take the first place, and then will update rating.

And, lol, I’m not about that thought. Though would add the ability to delete comments or edit.

Nov 18, 2017 7:42:42 PM
RolandD

RolandD

Pixonic

The set of participants in every game will be drawn randomly uniformly
That is, all 10 games are with random opponents? Then it will be mostly a game of luck for the vast majority. Can anyone go fighting quickstartguide from the bottom of the sandbox, and someone will take off due to the fact that he was thrown on the top. :)

Nov 20, 2017 1:58:08 AM
dimir

dimir

СПбГЭТУ (ЛЭТИ)

RolandD

RolandD

Pixonic

That is, all 10 games are with random opponents? Then it will be mostly a game of luck for the vast majority. Can anyone go fighting quickstartguide from the bottom of the sandbox, and someone will take off due to the fact that he was thrown on the top. :)

Given the number of participants, I hope that waves will be bigger =)

Nov 20, 2017 2:59:51 AM
AlexKol

AlexKol

BB

RolandD

RolandD

Pixonic

That is, all 10 games are with random opponents? Then it will be mostly a game of luck for the vast majority. Can anyone go fighting quickstartguide from the bottom of the sandbox, and someone will take off due to the fact that he was thrown on the top. :)

Maybe he meant 10 waves, all with…

Nov 20, 2017 5:40:37 AM
tyamgin

tyamgin

Simferopol

RolandD

RolandD

Pixonic

That is, all 10 games are with random opponents? Then it will be mostly a game of luck for the vast majority. Can anyone go fighting quickstartguide from the bottom of the sandbox, and someone will take off due to the fact that he was thrown on the top. :)

Yes, so be it

that is why sandbox is not necessary to navigate, especially for the estimations to be in the final

Nov 20, 2017 9:55:34 AM
azt-yur

azt-yur

ОГУ

RolandD

RolandD

Pixonic

That is, all 10 games are with random opponents? Then it will be mostly a game of luck for the vast majority. Can anyone go fighting quickstartguide from the bottom of the sandbox, and someone will take off due to the fact that he was thrown on the top. :)

Well, 10 is at the most pessimistic estimate, usually manage more. Last year in the 1st round, I counted about 40 waves.

Nov 20, 2017 10:10:30 AM
RolandD

RolandD

Pixonic

Why not make the first wave of random, and since the second rival chosen with the same plus or minus as you have points. Then you get more or less adequate distribution.

Nov 20, 2017 11:08:02 AM
AlexKol

AlexKol

BB

RolandD

RolandD

Pixonic

Why not make the first wave of random, and since the second rival chosen with the same plus or minus as you have points. Then you get more or less adequate distribution.

Something like grid. Who have an equal number of victories, and they compete with each other. Someone goes up, someone goes down

Nov 20, 2017 11:33:20 AM
tyamgin

tyamgin

Simferopol

RolandD

RolandD

Pixonic

Why not make the first wave of random, and since the second rival chosen with the same plus or minus as you have points. Then you get more or less adequate distribution.

The delusion of some kind.

The tops have the same chance to get 2 points as SMARTS?

Nov 20, 2017 12:52:32 PM
AlexKol

AlexKol

BB

tyamgin

tyamgin

Simferopol

The delusion of some kind. The tops have the same chance to get 2 points as SMARTS?

Волна1 see all 0 points. Random pairs. волна2 2 groups with 0 points and 2. Pair up the same basket. Волна3 there are 3 baskets. and so on. So really is determined by who is stronger

Nov 20, 2017 1:00:53 PM
malinovsky239

malinovsky239

Saint Petersburg

RolandD

RolandD

Pixonic

Why not make the first wave of random, and since the second rival chosen with the same plus or minus as you have points. Then you get more or less adequate distribution.

Rather, in the first wave would cost to manage the participants by rating (or winning percentage) in the sandbox (otherwise it may get so that quite a few strong players will get in pairs with each other in the first few rounds, the result of someone strong will remain zero). Further in a pure form to apply to the Swiss system, continuing if necessary to use a rating/percentage of wins as the last additional indicator (a higher priority figures to do the same, as, say, chess: the coefficients Buchholz, Sonneborn-Berger, etc.).

Another thing is that no matter how much we not argued here, the rules written above and is unlikely to change :(

Nov 20, 2017 2:29:54 PM
Dfire

Dfire

КРОК

malinovsky239

malinovsky239

Saint Petersburg

Rather, in the first wave would cost to manage the participants by rating (or winning percentage) in the sandbox (otherwise it may get so that quite a few strong players will get in pairs with each other in the first few rounds, the result of someone strong will remain zero). Further in a pure form to apply to the Swiss system, continuing if necessary to use a rating/percentage of wins as the last additional indicator (a higher priority figures to do the same, as, say, chess: the coefficients Buchholz, Sonneborn-Berger, etc.). …

Sure that the top strategy will be anyway. Random only to those who are on the brink of passing out in round 2

Nov 24, 2017 3:47:28 AM
mixei4

mixei4

КГУ

Went..

Nov 25, 2017 12:18:22 AM
radioegor146

radioegor146

Лицей БГУ

Ie if I sent a Strat in 12 minutes after the start (00:12), it will not count and will be chosen last to 00:00?

Nov 25, 2017 12:24:34 AM
DarkKeks

DarkKeks

Гимназия №3

radioegor146

radioegor146

Лицей БГУ

Ie if I sent a Strat in 12 minutes after the start (00:12), it will not count and will be chosen last to 00:00?

“Games in each of the parts of Round 1 will select last correct strategy is sent before the start of the relevant part.”

Nov 25, 2017 12:31:36 AM
VexfxjC

VexfxjC

БГТУ «Военмех»

good luck to everyone !

Nov 25, 2017 12:47:11 AM
JayTord

JayTord

Omsk

tyamgin

tyamgin

Simferopol

The delusion of some kind. The tops have the same chance to get 2 points as SMARTS?

It’s not nonsense, it’s called the Swiss system and it is often used in tournaments because effective. Quicha will really have the same chance to get 2 points in the 5th wave like the top, but the top will have 8 points more, so it’s not one of the tops should worry, but it will help to understand one of slightly improved SmartView really deserved a t-shirt.

With the current system the people with 100% wins at the 18th place in the Swiss is not acceptable. And if in the first two rounds still, the finale may be a shame if 3 awesome strategies that win everything else, but they will lose top4 which is not zametcino to any of them, while they have 1 lose from each other… or even no losses, but simply a strategy later sent.

Nov 25, 2017 12:27:19 PM
udalov

udalov

JetBrains

JayTord

JayTord

Omsk

It’s not nonsense, it’s called the Swiss system and it is often used in tournaments because effective. Quicha will really have the same chance to get 2 points in the 5th wave like the top, but the top will have 8 points more, so it’s not one of the tops should worry, but it will help to understand one of slightly improved SmartView really deserved a t-shirt. …

In the finals, each played with each, see rules

Nov 25, 2017 12:29:55 PM
jurifoll

jurifoll

Moscow

JayTord

JayTord

Omsk

It’s not nonsense, it’s called the Swiss system and it is often used in tournaments because effective. Quicha will really have the same chance to get 2 points in the 5th wave like the top, but the top will have 8 points more, so it’s not one of the tops should worry, but it will help to understand one of slightly improved SmartView really deserved a t-shirt. …

From Wikipedia: “the Swiss system is more or less true of the winners and outsiders, but in the middle of the table places are allocated is often not enough.”

So for this situation, the Swiss system is not better. Indeed, in the 1st round, it is important to select the first 300, but not to distribute the top 10 for prize-winning places.

If you want to understand who did the most with the current competition format (without buildings), look at the results of the sandbox. The rules calculate the rating there are actually closer to the Swiss system, only stretched in time.

Nov 25, 2017 1:05:01 PM
JayTord

JayTord

Omsk

jurifoll

jurifoll

Moscow

From Wikipedia: “the Swiss system is more or less true of the winners and outsiders, but in the middle of the table places are allocated is often not enough.” So for this situation, the Swiss system is not better. Indeed, in the 1st round, it is important to select the first 300, but not to distribute the top 10 for prize-winning places. …

Wikipedia says it is about the case when n is log2(n) matches. Ie assertion about the middle it would be fair if we played 10 matches of all (and you probably would be better than just random 10 matches)

However how true the above noticed because the final is played each with each that not the point

Nov 25, 2017 1:13:49 PM
imp5imp5

imp5imp5

Gaijin Entertainment

And how is the calculation of the percentage of wins in the round? How can you have 92% winning percentage but only played 26 games?

Nov 26, 2017 3:29:13 PM
4way

4way

Organization::Первый Бит

imp5imp5

imp5imp5

Gaijin Entertainment

And how is the calculation of the percentage of wins in the round? How can you have 92% winning percentage but only played 26 games?

see now - 96%. When we’re testing games, this garbage fails

Nov 26, 2017 3:44:56 PM
imp5imp5

imp5imp5

Gaijin Entertainment

4way

4way

Organization::Первый Бит

see now - 96%. When we’re testing games, this garbage fails

Yes, indeed.

Nov 26, 2017 4:00:20 PM
madddmax

madddmax

АО "Финам"

If the strategy falls down, points are awarded?

Nov 26, 2017 7:50:34 PM
Sanda

Sanda

JetBrains

madddmax

madddmax

АО "Финам"

If the strategy falls down, points are awarded?

On points if it wins, it seems, Yes.

Nov 26, 2017 8:21:26 PM
ewgraf

ewgraf

Berlin

Well, something like that, weird.

In the sandbox I have now 212, in round 1 49. I of course, not to say saddened, but clearly the system is not too fair. I would not suddenly then on the other side of the scales to be…

Nov 27, 2017 12:09:11 AM
JIo6cTep

JIo6cTep

Samara

ewgraf

ewgraf

Berlin

Well, something like that, weird. In the sandbox I have now 212, in round 1 49. I of course, not to say saddened, but clearly the system is not too fair. I would not suddenly then on the other side of the scales to be…

I looked up - only 48 people from the top 300 of the sandbox were not in round 2. Given the transoms in 60 people they have a good chance. Don’t understand what is unfair about the system all say. In round 2, and finals matches will be much greater.

Nov 27, 2017 7:40:11 AM
AlexKol

AlexKol

BB

JIo6cTep

JIo6cTep

Samara

I looked up - only 48 people from the top 300 of the sandbox were not in round 2. Given the transoms in 60 people they have a good chance. Don’t understand what is unfair about the system all say. In round 2, and finals matches will be much greater.

There is still a luck factor.

Nov 27, 2017 8:34:22 AM
JIo6cTep

JIo6cTep

Samara

AlexKol

AlexKol

BB

There is still a luck factor.

So you can say about any system in this case. Even if you want to determine the better player of the 2 parties running 10,000 games between them. The question is the element of chance to a minimum. You will be able to offer the system at 932 member to each played 42 games and “the luck factor” was less than it is now? Keep in mind that the results of specific matches are often dependent on specific generated world.

Nov 27, 2017 9:03:25 AM
alkozel

alkozel

Калужский филиал ГУ СДА при Спецстрое России

People, tell me how to check the speed of the strategy and used memory. Thank you

Nov 27, 2017 9:39:26 AM